Warhammer 40,000 Battle Report: Deathwatch vs Genestealer Cult 2000pts

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Dean Brereton
Dean Brereton

Are Deathwatch the best Marine chapter to play comp? also Beard is great

Alex Newell
Alex Newell

Hey guys,
Long time fan and aspiring Dragon 😀
Beard, I know you were talking about the pain of stormbolters on DW and I’ve been there. Ended up finding a really good match on a custom bitz site called Anvil. You can see a few of them in this shot here of my SB squad. If I see them end up on the channel I’ll write Anvil about a referral bonus 😉comment image

slag
slag

As the internets were losing their mind the past few weeks declaring GSC as the “most overpowered broken insane gonna dominate every tournament” I kept looking at the same army and not seeing what they’re seeing, instead that it was going to be a real gamble because by turn 3 the army would be pretty well wiped. GSC codex looks fun. I’m happy that my most lovingly painted army finally has interesting rules. But they are by no means “broken.”

Snarftron 9001
Snarftron 9001

GSC are the Leroy Jenkins of 40k…so much tactical planning with the blips and ambushes, all the preparation…then BOOM. The game kicks off and it’s a mass slaughter on the blips and ambushes, they all just fall over to a light breeze. They don’t seem to have any survivability…Spider’s saves on the Aberrant charges were an anomaly so for other players those guys were toast on the way in.

A cool army but not seeing it otherwise 🙁

Hawzey
Hawzey

Welly, welly wellington! My Intercessors will forever be referred to as ‘Incestors’ from this day onwards.

Thank you Beard!

Jez Morris
Jez Morris

Awesome batrep as usual guys but agressors shooting is 6 +1d6 and it can fire twice if it doesnt move

R4zl
R4zl

Lawrence you said “there isn’t a reliable way to get off more than one charge”. I think there is, even against a screening opponent. A Cult of the Four-Armed Emperor detachment with a Clamavus gets a 7″ charge from ambush, and with a 2CP cost for both a Deliverance broodsurge and their warlord trait you get a re-roll aura for all charges and advances. This with Anointed Throng and broodcoven makes GSC capable of rocking up to 5 warlord traits and key units in both detachments rocking either a 7″ re-rollable or 6″ charge making the perfect ambush stratagem less… Read more »

E . Double E
E . Double E

Think a Supreme Command Detachment of triple neurothropes would be pretty sweet with GSC. Shadow in the warp, smites, FNP’s for large blobs and some nice debuffs to chuck out. Cheapish as well. Thematically quite cool, the hive mind sends a small tendril of Psykers to begin taking over…

Rutsy
Rutsy

I would like to petition for the Crouchling to be admitted into the ranks of the TTT mascots alongside Grotty and the Cherub. Then we’d have an Imperium, a Chaos and a Xenos mascot 😀

Andy
Andy

Hi, another great bat rep as always undeniably the best channel for 40k, I really want to like GSC but the lore just feels a bit deflating, ill explain…you have this great story about infiltration and covert cloak & dagger shannanigans going on but ultimately as soon as the main hive fleet turn up they just consume everything anyway? Including all the 2/3/4 generation cult members, like all they have believed in was a lie and they have just been pawns? Seems like a lot of effort for something that is essentially marine force recon for the tyranids? The whole… Read more »

Benjamin Chia
Benjamin Chia

I very much prefer just Power picks and rending claws as well. U still wound T8 on 5s without any buffs (say if you want to use 4AE instead of Twisted helix) and have a much better time against infantry if the opponent doesn’t field vehicles/monsters. The only reason for me running a mixed unit is cos the kit only comes with 3 picks (and 3 hammers)… =P

Daleway
Daleway

Great game. I actually feel just using the abominants with the vigilus detachment, twisted helix cult and the blessed hammer is better on its own. Buff him up with all the buffs extra attacks, fight twice he will do more damage on his own. Obviously this more of a tactica view. I run aberrants for fun against my friends. You need more saws too in the blobs of 20. Also where are the leman russ, brood brothers, and heavy brood brothers? The neophytes just aren’t worth the time. Save the extra point have mortars hide and fire. I would recommend… Read more »

Daleway
Daleway

So everything you were discussing about the deathwatch is even more true with ultramarines. Make them veterans with the vigilus detachment. Now one blob has access to rapid 2, that’s 40 s4 ap – 1 shots. With calgar or guilliman it’s rerolling all hits. With a lieutenant it’s rerolling wounds of 1 or guilliman all wounds. I have done some serious damage with this tactic. Also the veteran intercessors have 3 attacks each and 4 on the sergeant. Give the sergeant a power fist. That’s 4 s8 attacks. There is also a stratagem that makes 6s explode into 2 hits… Read more »

Mike Jello-Sky
Mike Jello-Sky

Now I know DW and GK can’t use the quad bolters from FW, but what happens when the other SM factions start using them with the new beta rule? It just seems gross! Can you imagine 3 units of 3 with Bobby G sitting in the back, yawning “fire again” LOL oh, and “yes yes, wound them again too” Lobe the new DW army. Great paint job. Too bad you can’t put a terminator in there with a shield, but I agree, primaris armies just look better 🙂 I agree with Lawrence too, for a tactica list, you’ll need to… Read more »

George
George

@beard I know there are a lot of rules to remember and I’m not one bang on about how you forgot rules with a new army. The way I remembered the deathwatch tactics rule is it’s just a lieutenant rule for troops, bikes amd dreads giving rr1 to wound as we have no lieutenant option available. Also it’s a good habbit to announce you SIA your firing before rolling to hit for each squad. Against this army it was hellfire most of the time but just removes any confusion for your opponent. I feel this would massively struggle against a… Read more »

Andrew Carter
Andrew Carter

Interesting game. I think you really need all the new characters for GSC, the codex looks like it’s built around stacking buffs from multiple characters, the Aberrants really need the Biophages and Clamavus along with the Primus and Abominant. It’s a big investment but they become a steamroller at that point.

For Goliath trucks, I’d run Bladed Cog and 10 man units of Neophytes with 2 Mining Lasers and Flamers each, the trucks move up 12″ and the Neophytes ignore the penalty for moving and shooting with Heavy.

Luke Perdue
Luke Perdue

For what it’s worth Beard, the Pop Goes The Monkey stormbolters fit the scale perfectly, and they come in left/right so you can vary your poses.

Cgates642
Cgates642

Watched it again. It feels so one-sided. The genestealers really had no chance with all that bolter fire .

Viktor
Viktor

I am pretty sure you haven’t used Special Issue Ammunition

Quasistellar
Quasistellar

What an interesting batrep! Finally get to see some primaris deathwatch action. Nice to know they perform about as well as expected. Too bad Beard inadvertently built an almost hard counter list to the Spider. I know the DW did really well here but I can’t help but think this list would struggle mightily against armor. Perhaps some hellblasters instead of reivers in the Fortis squads, and a macro plasma on a Redemptor or two? Or maybe even a *gasp* Repulsor with las loadout? I think Repulsor are not too shabby since they’re T8, PotMS, and Fly. Still a little… Read more »

BobbyG
BobbyG

@disqus_q8swsDJorH:disqus your Army is absolutely beautiful, well done

Nick Lucas
Nick Lucas

Hey Lawrence, I hope LVO treated you well, it was good to meet you and the BBone!

For me I think it is more interesting to see the learning process from a professional, and the thoughts behind how to get better at an army vs winning straight away. So I am looking forward to more GSC!

As always keep up the awesome work!

George Fava
George Fava

Lawrence’s new favorite game
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Viktor
Viktor

Do the Spider’s favorite kabal (we all know its Black Heart) vs GSC. But on the other hand who could use GSC to be a match for the Spider?

Ian Tomlinson
Ian Tomlinson

Great game, it was awesome to see the Deathwatch Primaris team, I’m having a switcheroo with my deathwatch boys and starting to branch into the primaris toy box now. Your army Beard gave my lots of ideas ????

JustGreg
JustGreg

One thing, at 1:20:14 you say you didn’t pay for the icarus rocket pods, unless in the deathwatch book it is different, in the SM codex it isn’t optional…? Is this an oversight in list building, or a rules discrepancy between books?

Other than that fantastic game! Thanks as always guys. New GC are looking scary, think there’s gonna be some disgusting tacticas ahead from both sides.

James Martin
James Martin

Loved the game, GSC so far got a few tough match ups. In my list I don’t bother running the abominent I keep the primus close by to mitigate that -1, and means picks and claws are hitting on 2. I run rusted claw, so they have a 4+ save, making them slightly tougher and if I know they are gonna get hammered with shots, ill use that CP to make bestial vigor better. I run them in a blob of 10, 4picks 4 hammers and 2 hypermorphs with improvised weapons. And if ur taking them in a blob, I… Read more »

Yann Head
Yann Head

really great game and nice to see how games between gentlemen should be played 🙂
GC are very interesting but it looks as though it will be yet another “soup” army if it wants to be competitive… imagine the same game but you replace what was deployed turn one with IG croups and battle tanks…

Brian Ellis
Brian Ellis

Reading the comments here, most of them are rules corrections so I’ll just chime in to say thanks for another great bat rep and I’m looking forward to more GSC and DW! This is the same matchup me and my buddy have, it’s a fun one. DW are trying to protect their use of Auspex Scan and overwatch, while GSC are trying their best to prevent those two. Lawrence, I’ve been hearing a lot about GSC 20-man acolyte blobs with hand flamers. Might be fun to toy around with. Beard, DW are a tricky army to get used to with… Read more »

Kieran Barnes
Kieran Barnes

I think you might have forgotten the iconward relic for +1 str on the acolytes. Additionally, with the vigilus broodsurge detachment, you can add +1 to their wound rolls. In terms of the aberrants, lots of people have commented below about them. They need to have more character support. Stuff like the anointed throng and/or a Clamavus and 4ae, you can get them down to a 6′ charge and reroll ones for wounds. Also, with acolytes, you have access to extremely cheap flamers. Get a unit of 10 or so, give 4 the bombs, and then use the perfect ambush… Read more »

Alec Glass
Alec Glass

The way to maek Aberrants hit more reliably is to take them as Pauper Princes to get re-roll hits on charge / charged, I think that’s the most feasible way to play them, and use a clamavus to get the +1 on the charge anyways

Jake Barratt
Jake Barratt

You should try the Genestealer Cult against the Orks Gretchin army. I think that would be a cool match up. Thanks for the bat rep, really enjoyed it.

Mark Maughan
Mark Maughan

Great to see this army on the table guys. Couple of points Beard. You forgot that the aggressor also has d6 shots with his frag launcher every turn. Also I am not sure if you switched to T5 for the intercessor unit when it got down to 4 models (majority toughness). Also for fast dice you can roll the redemptor onslaught and heavy onslaught together. Only difference is range (24/30″) if the target is the same just roll 18 dice…. Also when you auspex scanned you were Wounding on 2s with the inceptor and Aggressor. Was that a slip of… Read more »

Matt Wallis
Matt Wallis

Mr. Spider – don’t forget that Aberrants reduce damage by 1 (to a minimum of 1) in addition to the 5+ Feel No Pain. You could have been a bit tricksy with the Dreadnought melee damage 🙂

Ryan Michael James Dugan
Ryan Michael James Dugan

Awesome battle report as always! Those primaris are looking awesome and I’m so excited to see genestealer cults being run. I had a few thoughts after watching for ways to make some more effective pushes with the genestealers and some advantages I noticed about using designated transports with them, as well as a couple other thoughts about the game in general. First thought is on the primaris units for incorporating them in with standard veterans. Running an inceptor and 4 aggressors in units with five interceptors makes the unit average toughness of 5, which is probably more beneficial than ignoring… Read more »

Colby Price
Colby Price

It didn’t end up mattering since you selected the captain in the end, but Mental Onslaught doesn’t work the way you think it does. If you had selected the unit, it’s just a worse smite. It doesn’t keep hurting the unit on the roll off until the unit wipes, they’ll just choose to kill the model you selected and then the power is done. I believe you’re confusing it with the Harlequins Mirror of Minds power which works similarly, but doesn’t have to stop when a model from the unit dies.

Squid_Paints
Squid_Paints

Loving the Primaris DeathWatch. Couple of issues with those Aggressors Beard. You consistently forgot the Fragstorm launchers with their extra D6 S4 shots. I find it best to roll for them and add the Boltstorm gauntlet shots and roll all together. Also you get to fire twice if you didn’t move, and thats including overwatch. Those dudes can pump out an insane amount of dakka.

Philip Papayanis
Philip Papayanis

Hey Lawrence, the broodcoven stratagem is 1cp for both extra WL traits.

HVH
HVH

Aggressors fire twice in Overwatch, because they have not moved. Same as if they stand still during Movement. They’re fairly dangerous to charge due to their rate of fire.

Andrew Davis
Andrew Davis

Sad to see that the GSC didn’t perform as well as you wanted spider.
But really happy to see some primaris on the channel and to see them do well too 🙂

wallisa2011

I don’t think I saw it. When the primus comes into play you get to nominate a unit and get rerolls to rolls of a 1 to wound.

James John Stewart
James John Stewart

First of all, thanks for the fun bat rep as usual. 100% amazing. Love your work. Lawrence, a few things about GSC. As a preliminary comment I was trying to run GSC late last year using the index, mainly for fun, but I was trying to make them work with the new Vigilus special detachment rules. What I found was that they were all round terrible in the index. Anyway, what I am about to say is about the Aberrants which I have used successfuly on quite a few occasions now. First, you were clearly frustrated with them not hitting… Read more »

Cgates642
Cgates642

Beard you’re Awesome, Lawrence you’re Awesome. Primaris DeathWatch are Awesome. Give them a Storm Shield and we would have a winner on our hands.

slag
slag

I actually prefer full Primaris marine armies. Despite the fluff being a little goofy, the sculpts are amazing and a full Primaris army looks incredible on the table.

slag
slag

YESSSS More GSC. Thanks guys!

Nikko Villaruz
Nikko Villaruz

every genestealer cult batrep will be worth watching just to see lawrence get giddy over mental onslaught XD

Gato Volador
Gato Volador

Remember guys, that Auspex scan has to be used immediately after the unit you want to shoot at drops, it´s not “everything drops and then I choose” 😉

andrew isola
andrew isola

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Kev Bates
Kev Bates

great bat rep, loving the new armies and units.

Nikko Villaruz
Nikko Villaruz

Lawrence, remember the primus gets to nominate 1 unit when he comes up and everyone within 6 (9 with the warlord trait) gets to re roll 1s to wound against it Also try to get your hands on the new characters, they’re gonna be what pushes gsc into a decent tier. the clamavus in particular synergizes well with cult of the four armed emperor since everyone near him gets a +1 to charge so actually you only need to roll a 7 for all those cult ambush units (not genestealers) love cults, hope to see more of them on the… Read more »